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(WASHINGTON, D.C.) – Indiana Senator Mike Braun says it’s neither surprising nor scandalous that most senators already know how they’re voting on impeachment.

Braun says any senator would be disqualified from serving on a regular jury, but says impeachment is a hybrid of trial and politics. Braun says he’ll vote against removing President Trump from office unless there’s new evidence, which he says he doesn’t expect. 

South Carolina Senator Lindsey Graham, now one of Trump’s staunchest Senate defenders, was among the House managers who presented the impeachment case against Bill Clinton 20 years ago, and pleaded with senators not to prejudge the case. Braun says Trump’s looming trial is different. He accuses Democrats of starting with the end goal in mind and trying to round up evidence to support it.

And Braun argues if there were stronger evidence of presidential misconduct, Democrats would have presented it in House impeachment hearings. He says the witnesses who did testify haven’t shown impeachable conduct.

Braun says Trump shouldn’t have referenced potential election opponent Joe Biden in his phone call with Ukrainian president Volodymyr Zelenskyy, calling it “unwise.” But he notes Zelenskyy himself has insisted he didn’t feel pressured.

Democrats have argued Trump held up critical military aid for Ukraine in its war with Russian-backed militias for purely political purposes, and released the money only when a whistleblower complaint sparked by the Zelenskyy call brought the effort to congressional attention.

Indiana’s other Republican senator, Todd Young, isn’t committing publicly in advance. He says he intends to consider all the evidence. But he agrees he doesn’t expect anything new, and says he expects the final vote to track closely with party lines.

Sen. Mike Braun (R-Indiana) (Photo: Eric Berman/WIBC)

WIBC hosts Hammer and Nigel spoke with Senator Braun Wednesday afternoon. Click the link below to hear that interview in full.