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Elise McCue from The Daily Signal drops in to outline Kamala Harris’ desperate hope to save herself in the next presidential debate with former president Donald Trump: tut-tutting “mansplaining” and “manterruptions.”

Tony Kinnett:

Mansplaining is the amazing art of as a man cutting off a woman and telling her how something really works.

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And that’s the best part about modern politics today. Because instead of arguing about ideas or policies or where you want the country to go or you know what it’s going to mean for everyday Americans, instead, you whine about guys in really dapper looking Blazers cutting you off very rudely. Elise, thanks for joining us. On the segment for mansplaining.

Elise McCue:

Thank you so much, Tony.

Tony Kinnett:

So, let’s dig right in. You’ve seen the Kamala Harris, Mike Pence debate in which she, like, tried to, what was it, like, shoehorn her way into getting cut off by the vice president? Yeah, it’s it was embarrassing, to say the least. Let’s take a look at it real quick.

Tony Kinnett:

So that’s the first time that she tried that. She she tried it again because Pence really didn’t cut her off. But she really wanted to sound kind of like the school teacher, like I’m like, I’m like talking Michael…

Elise McCue:

It’s like you said with the schoolteacher. Ohh, wait, ohh, wait. OK, so no one likes that.

Tony Kinnett:

We talked about this in the in the divide between, again, the, the last of the millennials and the beginning of Gen. Z. That’s kind of where you and I find the divide here. Do you find that at least with ladies going into Generation Z, that this is kind of getting old? Or is this something that because with millennial ladies, this is still like a really big deal, like cutting off guys? And I’m like speaking to powers. Can you like stop it? Does Gen. Z still feel the same way? Or is this hopefully, are we coming out of this mess?

Elise McCue:

I definitely think Gen Z still feels it, but not as earnestly as millennials do I would say. Um I think I found myself personally and some of my female friends, if there is an instance where we get mansplained to at least my first reaction isn’t to go oh it’s because I’m a woman. I index through the five to 10 things I actually probably didn’t do or say correctly because like, I’m not a goddess. I’m not much to everybody else’s disbelief. I’m not a goddess and I’m not I’m not perfect, believe it or not. So there are so many things that could be that aren’t just I’m a woman and someone wanted to cut me off or explain something to me just because of that.

 

Tony Kinnett:

I just try to think that it’s, it’s really more cutting somebody off and, and in a debate, this is a totally different thing. It really is. Obviously there’s a little bit of back and forth that’s expected during a debate, but it’s rude to interrupt people obviously. And the idea that every kind of interrupting has to be white-splaining, or mansplaining or you’re the term mantoerupting. That’s the new extra term. So, there’s mansplaining, there’s manterupting. We just like adding man to words now because I mean, you know what a little anti feminism. I guess I can get behind this. Are there any others that I’m missing?

Elise McCue:

I’m sure there is an entire Dictionary of. Words that are like that, but let me woman explain. Let me GenZsplain something to you. Adding man in front of something to be offended by. It is “chuggy”, which is it’s so millennial. It’s kind of it hurts a little bit.

Tony Kinnett:

That’s cringy.

Elise McCue:

Well, actually I feel like chuggy is a little bit it’s not really in style. Any more to say? But that’s usually what people say to describe something that is so millennial that it hurts.

Tony Kinnett:

What? No. I’m so sorry to break it to you. No, I look, I was prepared. Like as a teacher, I always prided myself that I that I kept at least up enough with the terms. I didn’t use them. But when students used them, I knew what they were talking about. I’m serious. I’ve never heard this term before. And not only finding out on this for the first time that that’s what this word means or even what it sounds like, but also that it’s like it’s a slam against millennials. This, this is a new field. I’m not a fan of this at all. This, that stinks. 

Elise McCue:

I hate to break it to you, Tony.

Tony Kinnett:

Well, we better, we better move on here on the Tony Kinnett cast list. Elise McCue, a little bit of that cultural connection. Well, Kamala Harris wants to recreate that magical moment with Mike Pence yet again and has been pressuring the ABC News team who’s hosting the upcoming debate on September 10th. Hey, you know, why don’t we have ourselves a little recreation? Make sure the mics are open cause they agreed to the mics being shut off when the other is speaking style of rules and she’s just been trying so hard to get the mics turned on. Do you think she’s kind of angling for another like I am woman hear me roar be quiet you stupid man. Kind of a moment.

Elise McCue:

Ohh definitely. You kidding me? I also think. , thought that’s where you were going. Of you, you got me there. You were a little bit more gently in the moment with that reference. But I definitely think that’s what she’s angling for. But I don’t know if anyone’s told her, but people make compilations of Trump’s witty remarks between his speaking times as the mic was on. So, this in my opinion works out great for him. I don’t know if anyone’s told her that, but I don’t know why she wants to do that…

Tony Kinnett:

Well, as of yesterday, ABC News has actually turned down the rule changes at this point, which is kind of unexpected, but they have now released a statement that they’re going to they’re going to keep the mics off so sorry to. Mamala, I so sorry. We’re just gonna keep it going this way.

DNC at United Center.

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So, this makes me think that there’s got to be some kind of a different way. She’s going to try to thread this in so she can’t get the “I’m speaking” moment because she can try to talk to him if he’s talking when the mics not off. And that’s just going to look awkward because nobody’s going to hear anything and she’s just going to stop and go. Ohh hey, by the way I’m speaking, it’s going to look like really awkward. I mean, I don’t know. Do you think there’s another way that she can work this in? If the mics are muted in a way that I don’t know, is there another way to kind of accuse an individual of mansplaining or man to corrupting or God knows what else?

Elise McCue:

No, I actually have zero idea. I haven’t thought about this too much, but if I had to say something right at this moment, it would be that she would just refute every single thing that is said to her immediately when she starts. And then because she wasn’t interrupting or saying things under her breath, it gives her more of a distinguished, composed look that’s.  The micro trends of lexicon for Gen Z.

Tony Kinnett:

So, I don’t think that as we move through the debate and of course we’ll be doing live debate coverage of pre-show and post-show with the daily signal kind of a big to do. They’re flying me into DC. We’re getting a whole set built all of this other nonsense. The question that I have is afterward you get all of these. Pundits that swoop in, you know, we will be some of them that will get on all these panels and analyze micro analyze every single facet of the debate. Ohh man, did she do this did he do this? How amazing, how terrible how whatever do you think that even if those moments don’t happen, which is kind of what we’re starting to see through a lot of Kamala interviews is the big extreme, exciting moments that they could always run on with Obama. The killer lines from Biden that they thought they’d have, like the Dark Brandon or whatever. Whenever they are getting those with Kamala, she’s so airy, she’s so basic in how she describes just emotions in the campaign that I don’t know if there’s going to be anything to latch on to. You have a much better way of reading how people are moving through their trains of thought. Do you think that after watching Kamala over the last couple of months, she might be reserving something for the debate?

Elise McCue:

I think thinking that she has something up her sleeve would be giving her too much credit. But also, you can never tell. And at the end of the day, no matter what she brings out or lack thereof, I don’t think it matters because you’re going to hop on to that CNN post, show that MSNBC post. And they’re going to say, “tonight I saw a woman who could really be president.” And that’s, that’s everybody’s marching orders that yes, she can be president even though give us nothing. Girl. I, I don’t think it matters. And it’s kind of, it feels like I feel defeated even before the, the debate has happened, but that’s just how it’s been. Knowing, and that’s really what I think is the most important thing to look out for.

Tony Kinnett:

I got to say I do hope that there is some basement dweller pundit that actually waddles out on deer afterwards and does start with tonight I saw a woman so that I can just cut the clip right there. Just celebrate that this poor young chud has finally found a woman to look at. Good Lord. 

Elise McCue:

At least they can define what a woman is. At least that based on that can define that.

Tony Kinnett:

Amazing how we have finally come around to that full circle.Well, that’s enough mansplaining for today. So says the man, Elise McHugh. Thank you very much for joining us. 

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